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Simon Carswell

Good points. I think the biggest problem is goals set in isolation from strategy or even from the goals of other team members. And I wonder whether it isn't starting to get even harder than it ever was to set goals in the 'correct' way. So perhaps we should learn to do without 'top-down' goals and let them emerge more?

Sharon Boller

All I can say is "wow." I'm now not sure what to think about goal-setting as an exercise. Without them, how do you ever know you've succeeded at something? With them, do you risk people ignoring opportunities that are not directly related to their goals?

Thanks for sharing the info!

Ben Curtis

Thanks for publicizing this interesting article. The section on Goals, Learning, and Cooperation on p. 13 elicited the thought that since Learning Objectives are specific goals, maybe we should consider their impact in this context. The authors weren't talking about training specifically, but perhaps there is some bleedover.

Gregory Evans

It's a bit of a non-story, inasmuch as the risks involved in goal setting are regularly cited in studies on reward and recognition.

Mainstream books such as Aubrey Daniels' Bring Out the Best in People (McGraw Hill, 2000) have covered this ground.

Like any tool used in organisations, goal setting can be used to good or ill effect.

Will Thalheimer

Well Gregory, you may have known about the risks of goal-setting since your teenage years, but many of us need to know that goals are a double-edged sword.

Just because something is published or known by some doesn't mean that everybody else instantly knows it. Do you really think everybody's read the studies on reward and recognition?

I've seen many management/leadership courses that say NOTHING about the risks of goal-setting.

People still need to know. It's our job to spread the word, not just grind our gold fillings in public.

Gregory Evans

Just because something is published or known by some doesn't mean that everybody else instantly knows it. Do you really think everybody's read the studies on reward and recognition?

Not in the least, and nor does my post imply that. It’s interesting, however, that the issue may not be widely known among people working in learning and development – people whose work involves attempting to change the behaviour of others - despite goal setting receiving close scrutiny from those working in related fields.

Well Gregory, you may have known about the risks of goal-setting since your teenage years, but many of us need to know that goals are a double-edged sword.

Sure, regardless of whatever my adolescence has to do with it.

I've seen many management/leadership courses that say NOTHING about the risks of goal-setting.

Same on this side of the Pacific. By the same token, it’s not uncommon to come across people claiming to train others in the development of instructional materials, who know little about instructional design. It happens.

People still need to know. It's our job to spread the word, not just grind our gold fillings in public.

And you are. Please note that I’m not disagreeing with you, nor disparaging your choice of linking to the Harvard Working Paper. I’m expressing surprise there’s not greater awareness of the problems inherent in goal setting, which have been widely published.

Will Thalheimer

Greg,

Thanks again for your response.

I suppose I read more rancor in your comments than intended. My apologies.

Sounds like we agree on the goal-setting issues.

Keep in touch, I like a little wake-up call now and then.

And on a personal note: I have twice tried to email you and received a message that your email mailbox was full.

--Will


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